Open Source
Open source business models, licensing, and building in the open.
61:27Episode 172
Christopher Burns - creator of c15t: the developer-first cookie banner
This episode is with Christopher Burns, the creator of c15t and founder of consent.io, an open-source, developer-first, ethical provider of privacy infrastructure. Chris explains why most cookie banners are not compliant, and if the EU is going to come after you for it. We talk about how he found product market fit and grew the company, and we also debate London vs SF for startups.
Links:
• Chris' Linkedin
• c15t
• Consent
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Links:
• Chris' Linkedin
• c15t
• Consent
This episode is brought to you by WorkOS. If you're thinking about selling to enterprise customers, WorkOS can help you add enterprise features like Single Sign On and audit logs
48:46Episode 170
Adam Frankl returns to answer my TAB questions
Adam Frankl has been the first Marketing VP at three dev-facing unicorns. He returns to the podcast, to reveal the things that DevTool startups must get right in the early days, in order to be successful. We also discuss Jack's experience implementing Technical Advisory Boards (TABs) with a new startup, and the hurdles startups face with outreach, sustaining member enthusiasm across calls, and the art of framing the problem correctly. Adam shares ongoing AI experiments to streamline TAB insights and stories that hook developers.
This episode is brought to you by WorkOS. If you're thinking about selling to enterprise customers, WorkOS can help you add enterprise features like Single Sign On and audit logs.
Links:
• Adam's Linkedin
• The Developer Facing Startup
This episode is brought to you by WorkOS. If you're thinking about selling to enterprise customers, WorkOS can help you add enterprise features like Single Sign On and audit logs.
Links:
• Adam's Linkedin
• The Developer Facing Startup
48:42Episode 168
Matt Klein - cofounder of Bitdrift: meeting developers where they are and early days of AWS
In this episode, Matt Klein (Bitdrift, Envoy) reflects on building EC2 in the early days of AWS, the reality behind AWS’s origins, and what Amazon’s customer obsession looks like from the inside. He then dives into creating Envoy at Lyft, the challenges of open source at scale, and spinning Bitdrift out of Lyft to focus on mobile observability. He shares how to meet developers where they are and what it takes to find product market fit.
This episode is brought to you by WorkOS. If you're thinking about selling to enterprise customers, WorkOS can help you add enterprise features like Single Sign On and audit logs.
Links:
• Matt's Linkedin
• Bitdrift
This episode is brought to you by WorkOS. If you're thinking about selling to enterprise customers, WorkOS can help you add enterprise features like Single Sign On and audit logs.
Links:
• Matt's Linkedin
• Bitdrift
45:06Episode 167
“I met my cofounder while gaming” - CEO of Northflank, Will Stewart
Will Stewart is the CEO and co-founder of Northflank, the developer platform. He shares how a teenage gaming side project turned into a self-service developer platform that runs complex workloads on Kubernetes across any cloud. He talks about meeting his co-founder online, fundraising and hiring remotely and why they took years to launch. He offers some interesting insights on dealing with bugs, product vision and changelogs.
This episode is brought to you by WorkOS. If you're thinking about selling to enterprise customers, WorkOS can help you add enterprise features like Single Sign On and audit logs.
Links:
• Northflank
• Will's Linkedin
This episode is brought to you by WorkOS. If you're thinking about selling to enterprise customers, WorkOS can help you add enterprise features like Single Sign On and audit logs.
Links:
• Northflank
• Will's Linkedin
42:47Episode 145
Paul Copplestone, CEO of Supabase - don't kill your channel
Paul Copplestone is the CEO of Supabase, the Postgres development platform. He talks about the discipline needed to cross the enterprise chasm without isolating your original community.
This episode is brought to you by WorkOS. If you're thinking about selling to enterprise customers, WorkOS can help you add enterprise features like Single Sign On and audit logs.
Links:
- Paul's LinkedIn
- Paul's X
- Paul's website
- Supabase
- Enterprise Sales vs Product-led Growth
- Friction logs
- Ant Wilson
- Multigres: Vitess for Postgres
This episode is brought to you by WorkOS. If you're thinking about selling to enterprise customers, WorkOS can help you add enterprise features like Single Sign On and audit logs.
Links:
- Paul's LinkedIn
- Paul's X
- Paul's website
- Supabase
- Enterprise Sales vs Product-led Growth
- Friction logs
- Ant Wilson
- Multigres: Vitess for Postgres
42:40Episode 136
Eric from Trigger.dev - iterating to 50% MoM growth
Eric Allam is the cofounder of Trigger.dev. Trigger gives you open source background jobs. We talk about how Trigger iterated different versions until landing on something developers really want. And now the growth is crazy. And also, I use Trigger and it's genuinely a great product.
This episode is brought to you by WorkOS. If you're thinking about selling to enterprise customers, WorkOS can help you add enterprise features like Single Sign On and audit logs.
Links:
This episode is brought to you by WorkOS. If you're thinking about selling to enterprise customers, WorkOS can help you add enterprise features like Single Sign On and audit logs.
Links:
54:19Episode 129
David Cramer, founder of Sentry - why you should consider M&A
David Cramer, co-founder of Sentry talks M&As and why they should be utilized more when you don’t achieve huge success. Plus we talk about the importance of good branding.
We discuss:
- The biggest mistake small startup founders make by not exploring potential acquisitions.
- The role of ego in startups
- Product-market-fit
- Hiring entrepreneurial talent and why acqui-hiring is so big.
- The significance of branding beyond just marketing – how it builds trust, recognition, and demand.
- Sentry’s approach to branding, emphasizing authenticity, community, and accessibility.
- What DevTools can learn from Liquid Death and Porsche
- Why brand matters
This episode is brought to you by WorkOS. If you're thinking about selling to enterprise customers, WorkOS can help you add enterprise features like Single Sign-On and audit logs. https://workos.com/
Links:
32:57Episode 128
raylib founder Ramon Santamaria - #2 most popular open-source game-engine in the world
Ramon, creator of Raylib, joins us to discuss his journey from building an educational tool to establishing one of the most popular open-source game engines. As of February 2025, Raylib is the second most popular open-source game engine behind Godot, boasting 25,000 GitHub stars, 13,000 Discord community members, and over 8,000 subreddit members. Ramon has transitioned from lecturing and consulting to focusing on his paid tools built around Raylib.
We discuss:
- How Raylib started as a teaching project to help art students learn programming through simple and intuitive function naming.
- The active community behind Raylib and how Ramon personally engages with new members, contributing to the project's growth.
- Why simplicity and not making assumptions about prior knowledge can create a strong foundation for both beginners and experienced developers.
- The benefits of using a low-level library like Raylib versus higher-level game engines like Unity, particularly for small indie games.
- Ramon's approach to managing his workload as a solo developer, emphasizing organization, automation, and using his own tools to build tools.
- His method of testing new tools by quickly launching them, observing market response, and iterating on the most successful ones.
- The importance of enjoying the process of building an open-source project rather than focusing solely on commercial success.
This episode is brought to you by WorkOS. If you're thinking about selling to enterprise customers, WorkOS can help you add enterprise features like Single Sign On and audit logs. https://workos.com/
Links:
- Raylib (https://www.raylib.com/)
- Cat and Onion game (https://store.steampowered.com/app/2781210/CAT__ONION/)
- Raylib GitHub (https://github.com/raysan5/raylib)
- Raylib Discord (https://discord.gg/raylib)
- Raylib Subreddit (https://www.reddit.com/r/raylib/)
- Ramon's Tools (https://raylibtech.com/tools/)
57:06Episode 124
Mitchell Hashimoto: Ghostty, libghostty & chasing the human experience
Mitchell Hashimoto - famously the founder of HashiCorp (creators of Terraform, Vault etc.) joins the show to discuss his latest open-source project, Ghostty, a modern terminal emulator.
We discuss:
- Designing dev tools with a focus on human experience.
- Taking on large technical projects and breaking them down into achievable steps.
- Open source sustainability and the role of financial support.
- The impossible goal of building a perfect human experience with software.
- Passion and hiring—why obsession with a topic often leads to the best hires.
- Using AI as a developer and why Mitchell considers AI tooling essential.
- The motivation behind Ghostty and the idea of "technical philanthropy."
- The vision for libghostty as a reusable terminal core for other applications.
This episode is brought to you by WorkOS. If you're thinking about selling to enterprise customers, WorkOS can help you add enterprise features like Single Sign On and audit logs. https://workos.com/
Links:
- Ghostty (https://ghostty.org/)
- Mitchell Hashimoto on Twitter (https://twitter.com/mitchellh)
- Mitchell’s blog (https://mitchellh.com/)
38:35Episode 121
Taylor Otwell - founder of Laravel
Taylor Otwell is the creator of the Laravel framework. Taylor has created numerous paid products that have generated millions, such as:
- Laravel Forge (server provisioning/management)
- Laravel Vapor (serverless Laravel hosting with AWS)
- Laravel Envoyer (zero downtime PHP deployments)
- Laravel Nova (Laravel admin panel)
In this interview, Taylor shares why he is now building Laravel Cloud - an infrastructure platform for Laravel apps and why Laravel Cloud needed VC funding.
We also cover:
We also cover:
- The different challenges of bootstrapped and VC funded startups
- How the Laravel ecosystem became so entrepreneurial
- Building products for the average joe developer
- The role of taste and craft in developer tools
- What Taylor and Adam Wathan learned from each other
- Fear and Taylor's comparison with Alex Honnold
This episode is brought to you by WorkOS. If you're thinking about selling to enterprise customers, WorkOS can help you add enterprise features like Single Sign On and audit logs.
Links:
Links:
Chapters:
00:00 The Journey of Laravel's Creator
02:48 Transitioning from Bootstrap to VC Funding
06:10 Building Laravel Cloud: A New Challenge
09:04 The Shift in Company Structure and Culture
11:50 Maintaining Quality and Usability in Development
15:09 Community Impact and Collaboration
17:56 Craftsmanship and Design Philosophy
20:45 Navigating Growth and Market Needs
23:54 Advice for Aspiring DevTool Founders
26:48 Future Directions and Innovations in Laravel
Thank you to Michael Grinich for making this happen. Thank you to Ostap Brehin for introducing me to Laravel. Thank you to Hank Taylor for helping me prep.
00:00 The Journey of Laravel's Creator
02:48 Transitioning from Bootstrap to VC Funding
06:10 Building Laravel Cloud: A New Challenge
09:04 The Shift in Company Structure and Culture
11:50 Maintaining Quality and Usability in Development
15:09 Community Impact and Collaboration
17:56 Craftsmanship and Design Philosophy
20:45 Navigating Growth and Market Needs
23:54 Advice for Aspiring DevTool Founders
26:48 Future Directions and Innovations in Laravel
Thank you to Michael Grinich for making this happen. Thank you to Ostap Brehin for introducing me to Laravel. Thank you to Hank Taylor for helping me prep.
19:34Episode 120
Four tips for early stage DevTools
In this episode, I pull out some of the key DevTools lessons I've learned in the last 120 interviews.
Including:
- The importance of deeply understanding the problem you're solving by talking to developers directly, as emphasized by Adam Frankl.
- Ant Wilson's advice on experimenting with different go-to-market strategies and channels rather than relying on conventional wisdom.
- Zeno Rocha's emphasis on the importance of the last mile—packaging and presentation. He shares how spending more time on documentation and onboarding materials helped his open-source project gain massive traction.
- Gonto's perspective that "it's better to be different than better," and how creativity, uniqueness, and understanding developer habits are key to successful marketing.
- My personal reflections on overcoming fear and discomfort in go-to-market efforts.
This episode is brought to you by WorkOS. If you're thinking about selling to enterprise customers, WorkOS can help you add enterprise features like Single Sign On and audit logs. https://workos.com.
35:28Episode 110
The story of Pydantic and Logfire | Samuel Colvin
Samuel Colvin - the creator of Pydantic - the most popular data validation library for Python. Used by literally everyone (Anthropic, OpenAI, Meta, NVIDIA, even the NSA). He shares the story behind his startup Logfire which just raised $12.5m from Sequoia.
This episode is brought to you by WorkOS. If you're thinking about selling to enterprise customers, WorkOS can help you add enterprise features like Single Sign On and audit logs.
Key takeaways:
- You can just build a different product to your open source project and leverage your brand
- Quality of product matters a LOT (if you can build a popular open source project, can probably build a quality paid product)
- Really helps to be part of a movement. Hard to predict but Pydantic benefited from two (types and LLMs)
- GitHub stars are a vanity metric compared to download numbers
Links:
- Pydantic
- Logfire
- Samuel Colvin
Chapters
00:00 The Genesis of Pydantic
02:46 The Evolution of Software Development
06:02 Building a Successful Open Source Library
08:52 The Impact of Community and Adoption
11:51 Metrics of Success in Open Source
15:08 Transitioning from Pydantic to LogFire
17:59 The Vision Behind LogFire
20:50 The Connection Between Pydantic and LogFire
24:05 Navigating the Challenges of Building a Startup
26:56 The Future of Observability and Databases
P.s. thanks to my friend Abeed for making the episode happen!
This episode is brought to you by WorkOS. If you're thinking about selling to enterprise customers, WorkOS can help you add enterprise features like Single Sign On and audit logs.
Key takeaways:
- You can just build a different product to your open source project and leverage your brand
- Quality of product matters a LOT (if you can build a popular open source project, can probably build a quality paid product)
- Really helps to be part of a movement. Hard to predict but Pydantic benefited from two (types and LLMs)
- GitHub stars are a vanity metric compared to download numbers
Links:
- Pydantic
- Logfire
- Samuel Colvin
Chapters
00:00 The Genesis of Pydantic
02:46 The Evolution of Software Development
06:02 Building a Successful Open Source Library
08:52 The Impact of Community and Adoption
11:51 Metrics of Success in Open Source
15:08 Transitioning from Pydantic to LogFire
17:59 The Vision Behind LogFire
20:50 The Connection Between Pydantic and LogFire
24:05 Navigating the Challenges of Building a Startup
26:56 The Future of Observability and Databases
P.s. thanks to my friend Abeed for making the episode happen!
50:05Episode 109
How not to do Open Source Licensing, with Trigger.dev founders Matt Aitken and Eric Allam
There are more and more open source DevTools startups. I’ve interviewed dozens. But I am still confused about open source licenses. So I decided to ask questions to two people who actually understand them: my friends Eric and Matt - founders of open source background jobs tool Trigger.dev.
This episode is brought to you by WorkOS. If you're thinking about selling to enterprise customers, WorkOS can help you add enterprise features like Single Sign On and audit logs.
What we discuss:
This episode is brought to you by WorkOS. If you're thinking about selling to enterprise customers, WorkOS can help you add enterprise features like Single Sign On and audit logs.
What we discuss:
- Two Key Questions for License Selection
- What are the benefits of permissive licenses?
- What are the main licenses?
- Why shouldn’t you write your own (open source) license?
- What is Copyleft?
- Post Open Source" Movement
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Trigger:
- Eric Allam - https://x.com/maverickdotdev
- Matt Aitken - https://x.com/mattaitken
- Trigger.dev https://trigger.dev/
- JSON Hero https://jsonhero.io/
Licenses
- MIT License https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIT_License - Matt’s “most permissive license”
- Apache-2 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apache_License - “Like MIT but with trademarks”
- FSL / Fair Source License https://fair.io/ - created by Sentry
- Heather Meeker - Open Source Licencing expert https://www.linkedin.com/in/heathermeeker/
- A practical guide to Open Source Licencing https://www.amazon.co.uk/Open-Source-Business-Practical-Licensing/dp/1544737645
References
- Sentry https://sentry.io/welcome/
- Redis https://redis.io/
- Valkey https://valkey.io/
- Clickhouse https://clickhouse.com/
- Background to Continue.dev and PearAI https://techcrunch.com/2024/09/30/y-combinator-is-being-criticized-after-it-backed-an-ai-startup-that-admits-it-basically-cloned-another-ai-startup/
42:18Episode 108
John O'Nolan, Founder of Ghost - the Open Source blogging tool making $7.2m ARR
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John O'Nolan is the Founder and CEO of Ghost.org. Ghost is an open source blog & newsletter platform. We use them for the Scaling DevTools' blog.
Note: this episode was recorded on 17th October 2024.
We talk about:
John O'Nolan is the Founder and CEO of Ghost.org. Ghost is an open source blog & newsletter platform. We use them for the Scaling DevTools' blog.
Note: this episode was recorded on 17th October 2024.
We talk about:
- How to communicate the benefits of Open Source to non-developers
- How Ghost manages to align open source and money making
- John's thoughts on the Automattic/Wordpress drama
- Advantages and disadvantages of VC funding and open source
- What would John do with VC dollars
Resources:
- Ghost https://ghost.org/
- John's website https://john.onolan.org/
- The WordPress vs. WP Engine drama, explained https://techcrunch.com/2024/11/07/wordpress-vs-wp-engine-drama-explained/
- Indie Hackers podcast https://www.indiehackers.com/podcast/139-john-onolan-of-ghost
- Cursor cursor.com
- Ben Thompson's blog https://stratechery.com/
This episode is brought to you by WorkOS. If you're thinking about selling to enterprise customers, WorkOS can help you add enterprise features like Single Sign On and audit logs.
47:12Episode 106
The Homebrew maintainers who built a startup - Mike McQuaid and John Britton from Workbrew
Mike McQuaid and John Britton are cofounders of Workbrew - a tool that gives you the missing features for enterprises running homebrew.
John has previously worked at GitHub and Twilio and is a contributor to Homebrew. Mike has also worked at GitHub as well as being the project lead and longest running maintainer at Homebrew.
We dig into:
John has previously worked at GitHub and Twilio and is a contributor to Homebrew. Mike has also worked at GitHub as well as being the project lead and longest running maintainer at Homebrew.
We dig into:
- How Homebrew can trace its origins to a pub in London
- How Apple actually work with Homebrew
- How Homebrew managed to grow and scale up
- How Workbrew are avoiding misaligned incentives so common in open source
Links for Mike, John and Workbrew
- Mike McQuaid https://mikemcquaid.com/
- John Britton https://johndbritton.com/
- Workbrew https://workbrew.com/
This episode is brought to you by WorkOS. If you're thinking about selling to enterprise customers, WorkOS can help you add enterprise features like Single Sign On and audit logs.
42:40Episode 100
Ant Wilson - Cofounder of Supabase (100th Episode!)
This is our 100th episode!
And we're thrilled to welcome back fan favourite Ant Wilson - the cofounder and CTO of Supabase.
And we're thrilled to welcome back fan favourite Ant Wilson - the cofounder and CTO of Supabase.
They discuss the evolution of Supabase, the importance of open source, and effective marketing strategies.
Ant shares insights on community engagement, the significance of developer-centric branding, and the challenges of navigating the enterprise landscape.
We also touch on the rise of AI and vector databases, emphasizing the power of open source in development. The conversation concludes with reflections on the journey and future aspirations.
Thank you to everyone who made it our 100th episode!
Ant shares insights on community engagement, the significance of developer-centric branding, and the challenges of navigating the enterprise landscape.
We also touch on the rise of AI and vector databases, emphasizing the power of open source in development. The conversation concludes with reflections on the journey and future aspirations.
Thank you to everyone who made it our 100th episode!
Takeaways
- Open source can significantly enhance hiring opportunities.
- Building a strong brand requires understanding your audience.
- Open source provides a competitive edge against incumbents.
- The importance of stability and security for enterprise clients.
- Time in the market builds trust with potential customers.
Links
- Supabase https://supabase.com/
- Ant Wilson's Twitter https://x.com/antwilson
- pgvector https://supabase.com/docs/guides/database/extensions/pgvector
- Greg Richardson https://x.com/ggrdson
- Previous episode with Ant https://podcast.scalingdevtools.com/episodes/product-market-fit-is-one-pivot-away-with-ant-wilson-founder-of-supabase
Keywords
open source, developer tools, marketing strategies, community engagement, AI, vector databases, enterprise solutions, product development, tech podcast
55:50Episode 97
Michael Grinich - founder & CEO of WorkOS
In this conversation, with Michael Grinich - founder and CEO of WorkOS. WorkOS helps you start selling to enterprise customers with just a few lines of code.
We discuss the challenges and strategies of navigating tough conversations in a startup environment, the importance of understanding engineering leadership, and the role of empathy in user experience.
We discuss the challenges and strategies of navigating tough conversations in a startup environment, the importance of understanding engineering leadership, and the role of empathy in user experience.
The conversation covers the significance of conferences for startups, the necessity of articulating the 'why' behind a business, and the challenges faced by solo founders. The discussion also touches on decision-making processes, handling competition, and the future direction of WorkOS.
- If a conversation scares you, it's probably necessary.
- Engineering leaders focus on business goals, not just technology.
- Conferences can be a great way to connect with potential customers.
- Building relationships at events can lead to long-term success.
- Frameworks can be constraining; focus on user empathy instead.
- Understanding user needs is crucial for product development.
- Articulating the 'why' can enhance customer connection.
- Maintaining focus on your mission is key to success.
- Finding a deeper mission can drive your startup forward.
- The journey of building a startup is often unclear at the beginning.
Links:
- WorkOS https://workos.com/
- Michael's Twitter https://x.com/grinich
- ELC https://sfelc.com/
- Crossing the Enterprise Chasm Podcast https://workos.com/podcast
- Start With Why https://simonsinek.com/books/start-with-why/
- AWS reinvent https://reinvent.awsevents.com/
39:38Episode 94
Vlad Matsiiako - cofounder of Infisical
Vlad Matsiiako is the CEO and co-founder of Infisical. Infisical is an Open Source Secret Management tool.
What we discuss:
- The story of Infisical
- How the team has made Infisical easy to adopt
- How being open source helps you with trust at the beginning stages
- How do enterprises adopt Infisical
- How do developers at enterprises discover tools like Infisical
- The different mini-games at various stages of a startup (Dalton Caldwell)
Links
What we discuss:
- The story of Infisical
- How the team has made Infisical easy to adopt
- How being open source helps you with trust at the beginning stages
- How do enterprises adopt Infisical
- How do developers at enterprises discover tools like Infisical
- The different mini-games at various stages of a startup (Dalton Caldwell)
Links
- Vlad - https://www.linkedin.com/in/vmatsiiako/
- Infisical - https://infisical.com/
34:37Episode 93
Always be dogfooding, with Andrew Lisowski of devtools.fm
Andrew Lisowski is the cohost of devtools.fm.
In this episode we talk about why Andrew started devtools.fm and what he's learned along the way.
In this episode we talk about why Andrew started devtools.fm and what he's learned along the way.
- Life as an open source maintainer.
- How the JavaScript ecosystem is different to other developer ecosystems.
- The importance of dogfooding.
- The power of DHH.
- Why obsessing over one problem eventually leads to great results
- Should DevTools start podcasts and how?
Links:
- devtools.fm - https://www.devtools.fm/
- Andrew's Twitter - https://x.com/HipsterSmoothie
- devtools.fm Twitter - https://x.com/DevtoolsFM
- Interview with DHH https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEZNbM4MUdo
- Interview with Evan You https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycuYlzuBqcA
- Interview with Richard Harris https://www.devtools.fm/episode/15
30:20Episode 92
Investing in Open Source Startups with Robby (Amanda Robson)
Robby (Amanda Robson) is the co-host of Open Source Startup Podcast (with Tim Chen).
In this episode we discuss:
In this episode we discuss:
- There are many ways to open source success
- When open source is a good strategy and when it isn't
- Why open source projects usually need time to brew
- How to know if your project is venture scale
- Why Robby believes in the Open Source model
- Robby is working on a highly mysterious new thing 👀
Links:
- Robby's Twitter/X https://x.com/amanda_robs?lang=en
- Open Source Startup Podcast https://oss-startup-podcast.launchnotes.io/
- Interview with Paul from Supabase https://oss-startup-podcast.launchnotes.io/announcements/episode-43-building-supabase-the-open-source-firebase-alternative
- Interview with Leyland from Mobile Dev https://oss-startup-podcast.launchnotes.io/announcements/episode-63-mobile-dev-s-new-mobile-testing-framework-maestro
- mobile dev https://www.mobile.dev/
- Tim's Twitter/X https://x.com/tnachen
32:05Episode 91
Hamzah Chaudhary from Lightdash: bringing developer tools to Business Intelligence
Hamzah Chaudhary is the cofounder of Lightdash, an open source, self-serve BI tool.
In this episode, Hamzah shares:
In this episode, Hamzah shares:
- Their initial plan to build a consultancy and how it morphed into a product to solve their customer's needs
- How open source works as a strategy
- Bringing software engineering tools to the BI domain
- How they reach their users
- How they partner with bigger organizations
Links:
- Lightdash https://www.lightdash.com/
- Lightdash GitHub https://github.com/lightdash/lightdash
- Hamzah's Twitter https://x.com/hamzahc1
39:51Episode 85
James Hawkins - co-founder & CEO of PostHog
James Hawkins is the cofounder and CEO of PostHog. PostHog is a platform to analyze, test, observe, and deploy new features.
This is the second time James has been on and the episode is mostly about how they run PostHog.
It's a pretty unconventional approach - probably because James thinks very deeply about how organizations should operate.
What we discuss:
This is the second time James has been on and the episode is mostly about how they run PostHog.
It's a pretty unconventional approach - probably because James thinks very deeply about how organizations should operate.
What we discuss:
- How PostHog hire
- His approach to one-on-one meetings
- The role of engineers in product development
- The impact of open source projects on PostHog's success
- A surprising secret to success (fun)
- Importance of listening to developers
Links:
- James's Twitter https://x.com/james406
- PostHog https://posthog.com/
- The Mental Workload of Hoovering https://jefhawkins.com/blog/mental-workload-of-hoovering
- Ray Dalio's Principles https://www.principles.com/
- James's first interview https://podcast.scalingdevtools.com/episodes/working-with-enterprise-clients-with-james-hawkins
This episode is sponsored by WorkOS. If you're thinking about selling to enterprise customers, WorkOS can help you add enterprise features like Single Sign On and audit logs.
33:39Episode 78
Digger.dev - Pivoting four times, OpenTofu & ThePrimeagen
An interview with Igor Zalutski & Utpal Nadiger from Digger.dev.
Digger is an Open Source Infrastructure as Code management tool that helps orchestrate Terraform and OpenTofu within your CI/CD system.
We talk about:
Digger is an Open Source Infrastructure as Code management tool that helps orchestrate Terraform and OpenTofu within your CI/CD system.
We talk about:
- What changed since Jack worked with Digger
- How they pivoted four times to find PMF
- How do you know you have something
- OpenTofu & ThePrimeagen
This episode is sponsored by WorkOS. If you're thinking about selling to enterprise customers, WorkOS can help you add enterprise features like Single Sign On and audit logs.
Links:
- https://digger.dev/
- Igor - https://twitter.com/igorzij
- Utpal - https://twitter.com/NadigerUtpal
32:55Episode 63
The hard things about dev tools with Felix Magedanz from Hanko
Felix is the founder of Hanko. Hanko is the Open source auth and passkey infrastructure for developers.
We talk about:
- The challenges of pivoting
- Layoffs
- The intangible goal of developer love
Check out Hanko: https://www.hanko.io/
We talk about:
- The challenges of pivoting
- Layoffs
- The intangible goal of developer love
Check out Hanko: https://www.hanko.io/
30:59Episode 61
From getting hacked to cybersecurity founders with Antoine Carossio and Tristan Kalos from Escape.tech
Escape helps you Find and fix GraphQL security flaws at scale within your DevSecOps process
- Introduction to Tristan and Antoine. 0:00
- How did they get started in cybersecurity? 4:35
- How did you get your first few customers? 9:49
- Challenges from a product and tech point of view. 13:57
- Challenges of integration into the development process. 18:10
- How to find the right team? 22:55
Links:
- Escape.tech https://escape.tech/?utm_source=youtube&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=devtools-podcast
- Tristan's Twitter - https://twitter.com/TristanKalos
- Antoine's Twitter - https://twitter.com/iCarossio
29:47Episode 58
Dax from SST - content that has nothing to do with your tool can still convert
Dax Raad is building SST - an open-source framework that makes it easy to build serverless apps.
- What Is SST? 0:00
- The theory in January was to make content that has nothing to do with SST and still convert people. Dax validated the theory within the first hour.
- Dax tells us a little bit about SST, a framework for building applications on AWS, and how it works.
- The importance of marketing and content. 2:42
- The focus now has to be on marketing.
- The top of the funnel is when someone has no idea who you are.
- Pitching the idea to his boss. 5:16
- Dax pitched the idea and Fred Schott was immediately down. He spent a day just watching every single episode of Between Two Ferns and wrote down all the patterns of jokes.
- He learned a lot from the first one, and is doing another one today at 230.
- How much goes into the show? 8:04
- The original show is fully done and edits, and that is true of the one that video was made. The video was not close to what actually happened, but it was his response to the video.
- The original is very specific and it's funny how specific the jokes are.
- The importance of having a unique angle. 10:40
- For most companies, announcing an integration is not the most exciting thing to announce.
- The bar is incredibly low, and the expectations are super low.
- Invest more in marketing and content. 12:35
- They are looking to hire a comedian or someone who makes good content on YouTube.
- They are planning a series A, and are looking for people who are talented and can help them.
- Educational vs entertaining content. 14:57
- The only way to capture someone like you is through a different angle.
- The theory in January was to make content that has nothing to do with SST and still convert people into trying out SST.
- Finding an angle that is genuine for yourself.
- How he got over the hump of clickbait. 17:54
- He went through the same hump that everyone goes through when trying to publish content on youtube.
- He was sent a video by a guy who was very successful on youtube and he was explaining why he does what he does.
- The importance of having a good content. 20:51
- Youtube is an amazing place. People will watch it if it's good.
- Marketing is a huge lever. 23:20
- They are a very small company. They are able to do a lot given their small size and they are going to continue to be a small company, so they need to find ways to find leverage anywhere they can.
- They are excited about what they can invest in.
- Dax would love to work with someone who is good at filmmaking and editing to keep it engaging and keep it fun. He also thinks about shows that are authentic.
- Key takeaways for anyone listening, remember that if you're building a company you do need to do marketing.
Links:
- SST https://sst.dev/
- Dax's twitter https://twitter.com/thdxr
- Between Two Nerds https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-I2Xep0GTQY&ab_channel=SST
- SST https://sst.dev/
- Dax's twitter https://twitter.com/thdxr
- Between Two Nerds https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-I2Xep0GTQY&ab_channel=SST
32:51Episode 56
Hire engineers who don't mind talking, with Brian Douglas from OpenSauced
Brian Douglas - or bdougie - is the founder of OpenSauced - an open source intelligence tool. Brian was previously Developer Experience Lead at Netlify and Director of Developer Advocacy at GitHub
Summary
- Every engineer is an advocate. 0:00
- Joining GitHub with a 30/60/90 plan. 1:17
- What was the goal when you joined Netlify? 3:16
- How to get started with bootcamps. 7:53
- What are the top projects in open source? 10:52
- The bottom up strategy for adoption at GitHub. 15:22
- Netlify’s Aha moment. 21:19
- How do you get started in reaching out to community and consistently? 25:57
Links:
- https://opensauced.pizza/
- https://twitter.com/bdougieYO
25:47Episode 52
Building computer vision tooling with Niko from Rerun
Nikolaus West is the founder of Rerun.io - Visualize computer vision.
What we discuss:
What we discuss:
- Finding a problem to work on
- What are some of the features that will be free and open source?
- What’s the difference between a commercial and a free service?
- The most important thing is that we’re building something that will be useful
- How to get into the minds of computer vision developers
- Why build in Rust
Rerun - https://www.rerun.io/
Niko's Twitter - https://twitter.com/NikolausWest
Niko's Twitter - https://twitter.com/NikolausWest
47:33Episode 48
How Fred Schott built two open source projects with 20,000+ GitHub stars
Fred Schott is the founder of Astro.build and the Astro technology company.
Astro is the all-in-one web framework designed for speed. Pull your content from anywhere and deploy everywhere, all powered by your favorite UI components and libraries.
Snowpack is a lightning-fast frontend build tool, designed for the modern web.
Before this, Fred founded Snowpack
Astro is the all-in-one web framework designed for speed. Pull your content from anywhere and deploy everywhere, all powered by your favorite UI components and libraries.
Snowpack is a lightning-fast frontend build tool, designed for the modern web.
Before this, Fred founded Snowpack
- What is Astro and what is it doing? 0:00
- Fred introduces himself and talks about astro.
- Fred explains what astro is and what it does.
- What’s changed in the web over the last 10 years. 2:20
- The last decade has been defined by full stack javascript.
- Astro is a server-first HTML rendering.
- Astro’s unique model of building an open source company. 4:51
- Building a sustainable company around an open source project.
- The astro technology company model.
- How Fred got started in open source.
- What Fred worked on before astro.
- How Fred got started in open source software.
- Pika was the first project that I really sunk my teeth into. 11:15
- Pika was the first project Fred really sunk his teeth into.
- Building snowpack and
- Why is it so bad to create a slack channel for your open source project? 14:00
- Stop creating slack communities for open source projects.
- The importance of community
- What it’s like at the beginning of an open source project. 16:26
- The first users are essential for an early-stage open source project.
- The power of responding quickly to feedback from the community.
- The first version of astro
- The spirit of open source and the importance of licencing code.
- The importance of having fun working on something that’s your own. 22:29
- The drive to just build it.
- The importance of having fun working on free software.
- The psychology of over-architecture.
- The importance of dog-fooding and how to use it. 26:13
- Dog fooding projects, how to build a tool for someone to use by seeing what they are doing.
- How do you get people to use the tool if they’re not already using it? 29:16
- Finding a real use case for snowpack.
- How to approach feedback from users.
- Using a Github repo to test new changes.
- Prioritising what to work on.
- Death by 1000 paper cuts.
- The importance of listening to users for feedback.
Links:
- Fred's Twitter https://twitter.com/FredKSchott
- Astro https://astro.build/
- Snowpack https://www.snowpack.dev/
- 5 Things I Learned Building Snowpack to 20,000 Stars https://dev.to/fredkschott/5-things-i-learned-while-building-snowpack-to-20-000-stars-b9d
- 6 More Things I Learned Building Snowpack to 20,000 Stars (Part 2)
https://dev.to/fredkschott/5-more-things-i-learned-building-snowpack-to-20-000-stars-5dc9
29:25Episode 47
Top of Hacker News with Anh-Tho from Lago
Anh-Tho is the founder of Lago https://www.getlago.com/
Lago gives you open-source metering and usage-based billing
Lago gives you open-source metering and usage-based billing
28:53Episode 45
How SigNoz grew to 12k GitHub stars with Pranay Prateek
Pranay Prateek is the founder of SigNoz - Open Source Observability with Traces, Logs and Metrics in a single pane.
Topics covered:
Topics covered:
- How SigNoz has grown to 12k stars
- How did you get started with the open source model?
- And have there been any teething challenges.
- Apart from growth, have there been any other benefits?
- What is the path to monetization (question from Utpal Nadiger)?
- Could you talk about your technical writer program?
Links:
- SigNoz https://signoz.io/
- Pranay's Twitter https://twitter.com/pranay01?s=20
37:19Episode 42
PMF is one pivot away with Ant Wilson from Supabase
Ant is the founder of Supabase. Supabase is the open-source firebase alternative and has gone from zero to 47,000+ GitHub stars in a matter of years.
What we cover:
- Ant's Egyptologist dream
- How the Launchpad book showed Ant that building a company is possible
- Product Market Fit is always just a pivot away
- How to talk about Supabase?
- Differences between pre-PMF and post-PMF
- How Supabase stay on top of and prioritise huge volumes of product feedback
- How Supabase positions itself to hobbyists/startups and bigger enterprise companies - DX and scalability.
- Supabase's Twitter strategy
- Trial & error in marketing
- How does Supabase measure marketing?
- Spaced repetition in marketing
- Databases are very sticky
- The future of Supabase
- The difficulties of hiring non-technical people (supabase is hiring!)
- Why Supabase over other tools?
- Is Ant a Liverpool fan?
Links & Resources:
- Ant's Twitter
- Supabase's Twitter
- Supbase
- Supabase jobs
- The Launchpad book
- Kuba's breakdown of Supabase's marketing strategy
- swyx (I can't find the exact tweet)
- Amjad - we think in years
What we cover:
- Ant's Egyptologist dream
- How the Launchpad book showed Ant that building a company is possible
- Product Market Fit is always just a pivot away
- How to talk about Supabase?
- Differences between pre-PMF and post-PMF
- How Supabase stay on top of and prioritise huge volumes of product feedback
- How Supabase positions itself to hobbyists/startups and bigger enterprise companies - DX and scalability.
- Supabase's Twitter strategy
- Trial & error in marketing
- How does Supabase measure marketing?
- Spaced repetition in marketing
- Databases are very sticky
- The future of Supabase
- The difficulties of hiring non-technical people (supabase is hiring!)
- Why Supabase over other tools?
- Is Ant a Liverpool fan?
Links & Resources:
- Ant's Twitter
- Supabase's Twitter
- Supbase
- Supabase jobs
- The Launchpad book
- Kuba's breakdown of Supabase's marketing strategy
- swyx (I can't find the exact tweet)
- Amjad - we think in years
30:48Episode 41
Growing with open source projects - Josh Thurman from Uffizzi
Josh is a Navy Seal turned founder of Uffizzi. Uffizzi provides environments as a Service and works with open source projects like Backstage.
Topics
- Pivoting between ideas
- Working with open source projects to improve products and build credibility
Links:
Topics
- Pivoting between ideas
- Working with open source projects to improve products and build credibility
Links:
34:19Episode 33
Crossing the chasm with Shawn Wang (swyx)
Resources
- Crossing the chasm by Geoffrey Moore
- Airbyte
- Netlify Auth Library
- Wardley map
- Strategy Letter V by Joel Spolsky
- The hardest working graphic in software
- 10x-ing Svelte (Svelte Summit 2022 Talk Notes)
swyx’s links:
Key points:
- Everyone in tech should understand the technology adoption cycle and know which stage of the adoption cycle you’re at
- First time founders obsess about products and second-time founders obsess about distribution.
- At the beginning, focus-in on one offering - have conviction in who your users are
- Your tech IS the story at the earliest stage of the adoption cycle. Because you are targeting innovators and they love to know you use Rust for example! At the later stage, tech no longer matters; the cost matters. Your messaging evolves
- You should be picking industries and companies with a strong chance of success
27:15Episode 32
The first 2,000 GitHub stars with Matija Šošić from Wasp
What we cover
- An introduction to Wasp
- The Wasp journey so far
- The ups and the downs
- Having conviction
- Reviewing progress
- Communication with users
- Reaching Junior Developers
- What advice would you give?
Where to hear from Matija
- Twitter: @MatijaSosic
- Blog: https://wasp-lang.dev/blog
- https://wasp-lang.dev/
Where to hear from us
- Twitter: @JackSBridger
- https://blog.bitreach.io
- Newsletter: https://www.bitreach.io/
20:05Episode 31
Giving developers what they want with Deepak Prabhakara
Deepak Prabhakara is the CEO and Co-founder of BoxyHQ. BoxyHQ enables you to add plug-and-play enterprise-ready features to your SaaS product.
What we cover
- An introduction to BoxyHQ
- Getting BoxyHQ out there in the world
- The BoxyHQ Open Source model
- What developers want
- Progression and growth
- Content update
- Content distribution
- Keeping an eye out on Twitter terms
Where to hear from Deepak
- Twitter: @boxyhq
- GitHub: https://github.com/boxyhq
- https://boxyhq.com/
19:11Episode 24
Developer Marketing at a startup with Zivit Katz from Zigi
Zivit Katz is the VP of Marketing at Zigi. Zigi is an AI-powered personal assistant for developers. By managing your dev workflow and handling all your mundane, non-programming tasks across multiple apps directly from Slack.
What we cover
- Marketing at Zigi
- The market and users
- Learning the right language
- Understanding the developer
- The importance of marketing plans
Where to hear from Zivit
19:44Episode 23
Is Open Source the ultimate bottom-up growth strategy? With James Hawkins from PostHog
James Hawkins is the CEO & Co-founder of PostHog. PostHog is an open-source product analytics suite, built for engineers.
What we cover
What we cover
- PostHog - implement without ever getting up from your desk
- How PostHog have cracked being bold and transparent
- Small cross-functional teams at PostHog
- Two people in Sales > $100Million of revenue
- Working with enterprise clients
Where to hear from James
- @james406
- https://posthog.com/
- The handbook - https://posthog.com/handbook
15:26Episode 22
The importance of distribution with Brandon Gubitosa from Plural
Brandon Gubitosa is a Senior Content Marketer at Plural. Plural is a software development company that is on a mission to help DevOps teams access and deploy open-source solutions that are recognised as top-tier.
Scaling DevTools is the podcast that investigates how DevTools go from zero to one. Created by Jack Bridger, founder of BitReach. BitReach helps DevTool companies reach more developers. In scaling DevTools, Jack explores how startups sell to developers, build tools and become successful.
Scaling DevTools is the podcast that investigates how DevTools go from zero to one. Created by Jack Bridger, founder of BitReach. BitReach helps DevTool companies reach more developers. In scaling DevTools, Jack explores how startups sell to developers, build tools and become successful.
What we cover
- An introduction to Plural and it’s growth
- Distributing content
- Why startups under distribute content
- Using metrics to help define if something should be pursued
- How to decide on a compelling piece of content
- Leveraging open source communities to drive growth
- Content agency Vs In-house
Where to hear from Brandon
Where to hear from us
- Twitter: @JackSBridger
- https://blog.bitreach.io
- Newsletter: https://www.bitreach.io/
15:53Episode 21
Building tools for experienced developers with André Eriksson from Encore
André Eriksson is the founder of Encore. Encore is a backend development engine built on the belief that escaping complexity unleashes a higher state of creativity.
Scaling DevTools is the podcast that investigates how DevTools go from zero to one. Created by Jack Bridger, founder of BitReach. BitReach helps DevTool companies reach more developers. In scaling DevTools, Jack explores how startups sell to developers, build tools and become successful.
What we cover
- An introduction to Encore's Go framework
- What drove André to create Encore and where he found his conviction from frustration
- Problems faced by experienced backend developers
- Obtaining your first customers who immediately get it
- Focusing on content to bring developers to you
- Sales at Encore - tailoring everything to what is important to customers
- Building technical trust - can you trust it will do what I want?
- Building business trust with open source
Where to hear from André
- Twitter: @_eandre
- https://encore.dev/
Where to hear from us
- Twitter: @JackSBridger
- https://blog.bitreach.io
- Newsletter: https://www.bitreach.io/
15:12Episode 18
Critical path infra for developers with Megan Reynolds from Crane
Megan Reynolds is an investor at Crane Venture Partners. Crane are an early stage VC who have invested in developer tools such as Gitpod, Encore and Novu.
What we cover
- What is happening in the market right now?
- Critical path for developers
- What can devtools do to make themselves more critical?
- Understanding your landscape
- What are the good founders doing? Gitpod example
- Why Megan invested in Novu
- What Megan is looking for in devtools
Where to hear from Megan
- Twitter: @meganreyno
- https://crane.vc/
Dev Tools mentioned
- Gitpod - open source remote developer collaboration
- Gitpod // Factorial case study
- Novu - open source notification infrastructure
- Encore - backend development engine
- Firebase - backend as a service
- Supabase (open source alternative to firebase)
- Posthog (open source alternative to mixpanel)
17:39Episode 14
Painkillers before vitamins with Juri Strumpflohner
Juri Strumpflohner is the Director of Developer Experience at Nrwl Technologies. Nrwl works with global enterprises to provide remote consulting, training, and engineering. Nx is Nrwl’s open source product which provides advanced tools that help scale enterprise development.
What we cover
- The story, Nrwl, and Nx?
- Solve the problems you see
- Open source business model
- How Nx got to 2million downloads per week
- Hiring for growth
- Taking over an existing open source proejct
Where to hear from Juri