DevRel
Developer relations, advocacy, and developer experience.
64:07Episode 166
DevRel is unbelievably back - with swyx
In Shawn "swyx" Wang's third appearance on the podcast, we talk about his recent interview with Mark Zuckerberg and Priscilla Chan about AI in biomedical research, and the goal to understand and eventually eradicate all diseases. We also talk about how DevRel is unbelievable back, the challenges of uphill DevRel, the dynamics of the current AI investment bubble, and the new projects he is working on.
This episode is brought to you by WorkOS. If you're thinking about selling to enterprise customers, WorkOS can help you add enterprise features like Single Sign On and audit logs.
Links:
• Uphill DevRel article
• DevRel is unbelievably back article
• Particle/wave duality article
• The Economics of Superstars
• AI Engineer conference videos
• Swyx's Linkedin
This episode is brought to you by WorkOS. If you're thinking about selling to enterprise customers, WorkOS can help you add enterprise features like Single Sign On and audit logs.
Links:
• Uphill DevRel article
• DevRel is unbelievably back article
• Particle/wave duality article
• The Economics of Superstars
• AI Engineer conference videos
• Swyx's Linkedin
35:07Episode 165
Growing Marimo's YouTube channel, with Vincent D. Warmerdam
Vincent D. Warmerdam from Marimo shares how they grew their YouTube channel for their Python notebook, using regular Shorts to reach thousands of new viewers each week. He talks about the importance of being genuinely excited about what you’re building and how consistent, authentic content can help both founders and creators connect with their audience. He gives practical advice and real-world insights for anyone interested in DevRel or growing a DevTool channel.
This episode is brought to you by WorkOS. If you're thinking about selling to enterprise customers, WorkOS can help you add enterprise features like Single Sign On and audit logs.
Links:
• Vincent's blog
• Vincent's X
• Marimo
This episode is brought to you by WorkOS. If you're thinking about selling to enterprise customers, WorkOS can help you add enterprise features like Single Sign On and audit logs.
Links:
• Vincent's blog
• Vincent's X
• Marimo
24:11Episode 163
Baseten CEO and co-founder Tuhin Srivastava on inference and feedback loops
The episode features Baseten CEO and cofounder Tuhin, who shares Baseten’s journey from a small team in the pre-GenAI era to scaling rapidly and raising $150M in Series D funding. The discussion delves into building robust inference infrastructure for AI applications, navigating market shifts, and developing tools that prioritize speed, developer experience, and customer feedback loops.
This episode is brought to you by WorkOS. If you're thinking about selling to enterprise customers, WorkOS can help you add enterprise features like Single Sign On and audit logs.
Links:
• Baseten
• Tuhin's Linkedin
This episode is brought to you by WorkOS. If you're thinking about selling to enterprise customers, WorkOS can help you add enterprise features like Single Sign On and audit logs.
Links:
• Baseten
• Tuhin's Linkedin
38:20Episode 157
Running Events with Matt Carey from AI Demo Days
Matt Carey from AI Demo Days, shares his experience of organizing developer events in London and San Fransisco. He discusses the real costs involved and how creating fun, community-driven events makes all the difference - plus a spicy take on Hackathons!
This episode is brought to you by WorkOS. If you're thinking about selling to enterprise customers, WorkOS can help you add enterprise features like Single Sign On and audit logs.
Links:
• AI Demo Days
• Matt Carey's links
This episode is brought to you by WorkOS. If you're thinking about selling to enterprise customers, WorkOS can help you add enterprise features like Single Sign On and audit logs.
Links:
• AI Demo Days
• Matt Carey's links
36:13Episode 153
Studying Lee Robinson, Cursor's new VP of Developer experience
Lee Robinson helped Vercel grow to $200M+ in ARR and scaled the Next.js community to over 1.3 million active developers. I dive into his blog posts to uncover valuable insights and lessons about how he achieved this success, covering topics like docs, community building, developer education, marketing, and product development.
This episode is brought to you by WorkOS. If you're thinking about selling to enterprise customers, WorkOS can help you add enterprise features like Single Sign On and audit logs.
Links:
• Lee Robinson's blog
• Lee Robinson's X
• Peter Yang's interview
• swyx's interview
• Gonto on Scaling DevTools
• Developer Marketing Community
P.s. this is a new style of episode, let me know what you think.
This episode is brought to you by WorkOS. If you're thinking about selling to enterprise customers, WorkOS can help you add enterprise features like Single Sign On and audit logs.
Links:
• Lee Robinson's blog
• Lee Robinson's X
• Peter Yang's interview
• swyx's interview
• Gonto on Scaling DevTools
• Developer Marketing Community
P.s. this is a new style of episode, let me know what you think.
58:21Episode 152
Running hackathons, with Carter Rabasa from Langflow
Carter Rabasa, head of DevRel at Langflow, talks about organizing and participating in hackathons, how these events enable developers to break free from routine work, and how they can help accelerate tool development.
This episode is brought to you by WorkOS. If you're thinking about selling to enterprise customers, WorkOS can help you add enterprise features like Single Sign On and audit logs.
Links:
• Carter's X
• Carter's LinkedIn
• Cascadia AI Hackathon (and Luma)
• AI Tinkerers
• Bolt Virtual Hackathon
This episode is brought to you by WorkOS. If you're thinking about selling to enterprise customers, WorkOS can help you add enterprise features like Single Sign On and audit logs.
Links:
• Carter's X
• Carter's LinkedIn
• Cascadia AI Hackathon (and Luma)
• AI Tinkerers
• Bolt Virtual Hackathon
44:42Episode 150
Matt Palmer on Replit's speedrun to $100M ARR
Matt Palmer from Replit shares how the company scaled to $100M in ARR from ~$10M in under a year. We talk about the importance of video for teaching the non-linear process of working with AI, the challenge of rewriting documentation for a broader audience using the Diátaxis framework, and how they support a diverse community of users navigating this new AI-driven development landscape.
This episode is brought to you by WorkOS. If you're thinking about selling to enterprise customers, WorkOS can help you add enterprise features like Single Sign On and audit logs.
Links:
This episode is brought to you by WorkOS. If you're thinking about selling to enterprise customers, WorkOS can help you add enterprise features like Single Sign On and audit logs.
Links:
42:47Episode 145
Paul Copplestone, CEO of Supabase - don't kill your channel
Paul Copplestone is the CEO of Supabase, the Postgres development platform. He talks about the discipline needed to cross the enterprise chasm without isolating your original community.
This episode is brought to you by WorkOS. If you're thinking about selling to enterprise customers, WorkOS can help you add enterprise features like Single Sign On and audit logs.
Links:
- Paul's LinkedIn
- Paul's X
- Paul's website
- Supabase
- Enterprise Sales vs Product-led Growth
- Friction logs
- Ant Wilson
- Multigres: Vitess for Postgres
This episode is brought to you by WorkOS. If you're thinking about selling to enterprise customers, WorkOS can help you add enterprise features like Single Sign On and audit logs.
Links:
- Paul's LinkedIn
- Paul's X
- Paul's website
- Supabase
- Enterprise Sales vs Product-led Growth
- Friction logs
- Ant Wilson
- Multigres: Vitess for Postgres
50:48Episode 138
Luke Harries from ElevenLabs - Maximize your launches
Luke Harries leads growth at ElevenLabs. ElevenLabs builds incredible AI voice models. Luke dives into why launches matter so much, the origin story of ElevenLabs and why a hackathon can change your life.
Links:
Links:
This episode is brought to you by WorkOS. If you're thinking about selling to enterprise customers, WorkOS can help you add enterprise features like Single Sign On and audit logs.
P.s. I used Eleven Labs without any edits for the transcript/subtitles.
P.s. I used Eleven Labs without any edits for the transcript/subtitles.
51:36Episode 134
DevTools Marketing with Jason Lengstorf
This episode is a deep dive into DevTools marketing with Jason Lengstorf, founder of CodeTV.
Links:
Links:
This episode is brought to you by WorkOS. If you're thinking about selling to enterprise customers, WorkOS can help you add enterprise features like Single Sign On and audit logs.
54:19Episode 129
David Cramer, founder of Sentry - why you should consider M&A
David Cramer, co-founder of Sentry talks M&As and why they should be utilized more when you don’t achieve huge success. Plus we talk about the importance of good branding.
We discuss:
- The biggest mistake small startup founders make by not exploring potential acquisitions.
- The role of ego in startups
- Product-market-fit
- Hiring entrepreneurial talent and why acqui-hiring is so big.
- The significance of branding beyond just marketing – how it builds trust, recognition, and demand.
- Sentry’s approach to branding, emphasizing authenticity, community, and accessibility.
- What DevTools can learn from Liquid Death and Porsche
- Why brand matters
This episode is brought to you by WorkOS. If you're thinking about selling to enterprise customers, WorkOS can help you add enterprise features like Single Sign-On and audit logs. https://workos.com/
Links:
56:07Episode 123
Guillermo Rauch, founder of Vercel: Developer Experience, AI and v0
Guillermo Rauch is the founder of Vercel. Vercel is a cloud infra platform so easy to use that it’s almost become a category: “I’m building the Vercel of X”.
Vercel also recently launched v0 which is potentially the next evolution of web development - type what you want and it builds it and deploys it for you.
He’s also the creator Next.js, socket.io and a ton of other open source tools and startups. Plus he’s a prolific investor in DevTools.
I’ve missed a ton of his achievements here but essentially, he’s the king of DevTools and you probably know him already.
What we talk about
- Why Guillermo bets on people who ship
- What AI has in common with Prettier
- v0 puts design first
- Saying ‘not yet’ is a boss move
- Why Guillermo thinks devs won’t lose their jobs
- How you can learn product building
- Why you should be careful when hiring from rocketships - not everyone was in the control room
- The value of people having a full stack skill set. And why communication is more important than ever
- Why it’s so important to explain what you do in simple terms
- Tools Guillermo is excited about right now
Links:
- Guillermo Rauch
- Vercel
- v0
- NextJS
- Socket.IO
- Browserbase
- LiveKit
- Languine
This episode is brought to you by WorkOS. If you're thinking about selling to enterprise customers, WorkOS can help you add enterprise features like Single Sign On and audit logs. https://workos.com/
Vercel also recently launched v0 which is potentially the next evolution of web development - type what you want and it builds it and deploys it for you.
He’s also the creator Next.js, socket.io and a ton of other open source tools and startups. Plus he’s a prolific investor in DevTools.
I’ve missed a ton of his achievements here but essentially, he’s the king of DevTools and you probably know him already.
What we talk about
- Why Guillermo bets on people who ship
- What AI has in common with Prettier
- v0 puts design first
- Saying ‘not yet’ is a boss move
- Why Guillermo thinks devs won’t lose their jobs
- How you can learn product building
- Why you should be careful when hiring from rocketships - not everyone was in the control room
- The value of people having a full stack skill set. And why communication is more important than ever
- Why it’s so important to explain what you do in simple terms
- Tools Guillermo is excited about right now
Links:
- Guillermo Rauch
- Vercel
- v0
- NextJS
- Socket.IO
- Browserbase
- LiveKit
- Languine
This episode is brought to you by WorkOS. If you're thinking about selling to enterprise customers, WorkOS can help you add enterprise features like Single Sign On and audit logs. https://workos.com/
54:00Episode 118
The future of DevRel, with "Danger" Keith Casey
Keith Casey aka Danger Casey is a Senior Product Manager at Pangea - a Security Platform as a Service.
Before Pangea, Keith was Director of Product Marketing at ngrok and worked at Okta and Twilio in a variety of roles - including DevRel. Keith also curates API Developer Weekly.
In this episode we discuss Keith's writings on the future of DevRel.
This episode is brought to you by WorkOS. If you're thinking about selling to enterprise customers, WorkOS can help you add enterprise features like Single Sign On and audit logs.
Links:
- original article
- followup article
- How to kill your sdks in one easy step
- Developer productivity and selling to developers
- api developer weekly
- Pangea
- DevRel = zirp phenomenom?
Before Pangea, Keith was Director of Product Marketing at ngrok and worked at Okta and Twilio in a variety of roles - including DevRel. Keith also curates API Developer Weekly.
In this episode we discuss Keith's writings on the future of DevRel.
This episode is brought to you by WorkOS. If you're thinking about selling to enterprise customers, WorkOS can help you add enterprise features like Single Sign On and audit logs.
Links:
- original article
- followup article
- How to kill your sdks in one easy step
- Developer productivity and selling to developers
- api developer weekly
- Pangea
- DevRel = zirp phenomenom?
30:27Episode 104
Fundraising, exiting to Elastic and the future of Product Engineering | Rasmus Makwarth (CEO, Bucket)
In 2017, Rasmus Makwarth sold his previous APM (Application Performance Managment) startup Opbeat to Elastic for an undisclosed amount. Opbeat became Elastic APM, which became a big part of the Elastic Observability solution and Rasmus became Senior Director of Product Management - with a focus on Developer Experience.
Today, Rasmus is the founder and CEO of Bucket.co - a feature flagging tool built for B2B teams. Bucket has raised $5.7m from investors such as Project A and Creandum.
We dig into:
Today, Rasmus is the founder and CEO of Bucket.co - a feature flagging tool built for B2B teams. Bucket has raised $5.7m from investors such as Project A and Creandum.
We dig into:
- The realities of fundraising on a deadline
- The role of San Francisco in fundraising - do you need to be there?
- How exit opportunities can come from unexpected sources and the importance of showing up
- The importance of building a great product
- What Rasmus learned at Elastic - one of the biggest DevTools in the world
- Why Bucket is betting on helping engineers at b2b companies understand how users use their features
- The future of product engineering
Where to find Rasmus:
- LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/makwarth/?originalSubdomain=dk
- Twitter/X https://x.com/makwarth
- Bucket https://bucket.co/
References
- Elastic https://elastic.co/
- Opbeat acquisition announcement https://www.elastic.co/blog/welcome-opbeat-to-the-elastic-family
- Shay Banon - founder of Elastic https://www.linkedin.com/in/kimchy/
- Gregory Tademoto - VP Global Business & Corporate Development https://www.linkedin.com/in/gregorytademoto/
To support Scaling DevTools, check out the Enterprise Ready Conf from WorkOS https://enterprise-ready.com/
76:17Episode 103
Shawn Wang (swyx) - founder of smol.ai, Latent Space, AI Engineer, DX.tips
Shawn Wang (aka swyx) is the founder of smol.ai (AI news curation), and the cohost of Latent Space (popular AI Engineer podcast).
Plus, Shawn started the AI Engineer movement with his essay Rise of the AI Engineer and organized two incredible AI engineer conferences in the past twelve months - AI Engineer World's Fair and AI Engineer Summit
And Shawn has angel invested in DevTools like Airbyte, Railway, Supabase, Replay.io, Stackblitz, Flutterflow, Fireworks.ai while running the DevTools angels community.
Besides this, Shawn curates DX.tips (DevTools magazine) and in a past life wrote the Coding Career handbook, championed learn in public, cofounded Svelte Society and was previously Head of Developer Experience at Temporal, and a Developer Advocate at AWS and Netlify.
Also, before this, Shawn had a very successful career in investment banking, trading, building data pipelines and performing quantitate portfolio management. I think this brings him a very unique perspective - I've always admired his ability to zoom out and see the big picture and the trends.
Even though Shawn is now all-in on AI, he's still one of the go-to authorities on DevTools go-to-market.
As you can tell, Shawn is someone I deeply admire. So I'm glad he came back.
What we discuss:
Plus, Shawn started the AI Engineer movement with his essay Rise of the AI Engineer and organized two incredible AI engineer conferences in the past twelve months - AI Engineer World's Fair and AI Engineer Summit
And Shawn has angel invested in DevTools like Airbyte, Railway, Supabase, Replay.io, Stackblitz, Flutterflow, Fireworks.ai while running the DevTools angels community.
Besides this, Shawn curates DX.tips (DevTools magazine) and in a past life wrote the Coding Career handbook, championed learn in public, cofounded Svelte Society and was previously Head of Developer Experience at Temporal, and a Developer Advocate at AWS and Netlify.
Also, before this, Shawn had a very successful career in investment banking, trading, building data pipelines and performing quantitate portfolio management. I think this brings him a very unique perspective - I've always admired his ability to zoom out and see the big picture and the trends.
Even though Shawn is now all-in on AI, he's still one of the go-to authorities on DevTools go-to-market.
As you can tell, Shawn is someone I deeply admire. So I'm glad he came back.
What we discuss:
- Organizing the AI Engineer Conferences
- Rise of the AI Engineer
- Intentionality and principles (yes we even talk about Alcoholics Anonymous)
- The AI CEO
- Invisible deadlines
- Ilya believing in AGI more than most people at OpenAI
- Are developers going to be obsolete?
- Thor convinced swyx to invest in Supabase
- Building DevTools that work well with LLMs
- Angel investing in DevTools - why and how
- Is DevRel dead?
- How to hire DevRel
- Why DX.tips exists
Links:
- Rise of the AI Engineer https://www.latent.space/p/ai-engineer
- Latent Space Podcast https://www.latent.space/
- swyx's Twitter https://x.com/swyx
- swyx's website https://www.swyx.io/
- swyx's LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/shawnswyxwang/
- smol.ai https://smol.ai/
- DevTools Angels https://github.com/sw-yx/devtools-angels
- DX.tips https://dx.tips/
- DevRel's Death as Zero Interest Rate Phenomenon https://dx.tips/zirp
- AI Engineer Summit https://www.ai.engineer/summit/2023
- AI Engineer World's Fair https://www.ai.engineer/worldsfair
- Coding Career Handbook https://www.learninpublic.org/
- Shawn's previous appearance on Scaling DevTools https://podcast.scalingdevtools.com/episodes/swyx
- Eisenhower Matrix https://asana.com/resources/eisenhower-matrix
- Thor from Supabase https://x.com/thorwebdev
- Solaris AI coworking space in SF https://www.solarissf.com/
- Browserbase https://www.browserbase.com/
- Indent https://indent.com/ and Fouad https://x.com/fouadmatin
- How to do hackathons https://dx.tips/hackathons
- How to do conferences https://dx.tips/conf-guide
- How to hire DevRel https://dx.tips/mailbox-first-devrel-hiring
- Climbing the ladder of abstraction with Amelia Wattenberger https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAy_GHUAICw
Check out the Enterprise Ready Conf from WorkOS https://enterprise-ready.com/
40:33Episode 101
Anurag Goel - founder of Render
In this conversation, Anurag Goel, founder and CEO of Render, discusses the evolution of Render as a cloud infrastructure platform is actually simple to use.
He shares insights from his time at Stripe, emphasizing the importance of customer focus, crafting a seamless user experience, and the philosophy of progressive disclosure of complexity.
Anurag also highlights the significance of customer support as an integral part of the product and offers advice for aspiring founders on finding their passion and maintaining empathy in their work.
This episode is brought to you by WorkOS. If you're thinking about selling to enterprise customers, WorkOS can help you add enterprise features like Single Sign On and audit logs.
He shares insights from his time at Stripe, emphasizing the importance of customer focus, crafting a seamless user experience, and the philosophy of progressive disclosure of complexity.
Anurag also highlights the significance of customer support as an integral part of the product and offers advice for aspiring founders on finding their passion and maintaining empathy in their work.
This episode is brought to you by WorkOS. If you're thinking about selling to enterprise customers, WorkOS can help you add enterprise features like Single Sign On and audit logs.
What we discuss:
- Building in special details enhances customer experience.
- The delicate balance between simplicity and capability.
- How the power of sensible defaults. and progressive disclosure of complexity improves usability.
- Focus on customer needs drives product development.
- Customer support should be treated as a product.
- Finding founder market fit is crucial for success.
- Empathy for users is essential in product development.
Links
- Anurag's Twitter https://x.com/anuraggoel
- Render https://render.com/
- Stripe https://stripe.com/
Keywords
Render, developer experience, cloud infrastructure, customer support, startup culture, Anurag Goel, Stripe, product development, user experience, technology
Render, developer experience, cloud infrastructure, customer support, startup culture, Anurag Goel, Stripe, product development, user experience, technology
42:40Episode 100
Ant Wilson - Cofounder of Supabase (100th Episode!)
This is our 100th episode!
And we're thrilled to welcome back fan favourite Ant Wilson - the cofounder and CTO of Supabase.
And we're thrilled to welcome back fan favourite Ant Wilson - the cofounder and CTO of Supabase.
They discuss the evolution of Supabase, the importance of open source, and effective marketing strategies.
Ant shares insights on community engagement, the significance of developer-centric branding, and the challenges of navigating the enterprise landscape.
We also touch on the rise of AI and vector databases, emphasizing the power of open source in development. The conversation concludes with reflections on the journey and future aspirations.
Thank you to everyone who made it our 100th episode!
Ant shares insights on community engagement, the significance of developer-centric branding, and the challenges of navigating the enterprise landscape.
We also touch on the rise of AI and vector databases, emphasizing the power of open source in development. The conversation concludes with reflections on the journey and future aspirations.
Thank you to everyone who made it our 100th episode!
Takeaways
- Open source can significantly enhance hiring opportunities.
- Building a strong brand requires understanding your audience.
- Open source provides a competitive edge against incumbents.
- The importance of stability and security for enterprise clients.
- Time in the market builds trust with potential customers.
Links
- Supabase https://supabase.com/
- Ant Wilson's Twitter https://x.com/antwilson
- pgvector https://supabase.com/docs/guides/database/extensions/pgvector
- Greg Richardson https://x.com/ggrdson
- Previous episode with Ant https://podcast.scalingdevtools.com/episodes/product-market-fit-is-one-pivot-away-with-ant-wilson-founder-of-supabase
Keywords
open source, developer tools, marketing strategies, community engagement, AI, vector databases, enterprise solutions, product development, tech podcast
89:43Episode 98
The Developer Tools playbook, with Adam Frankl - VP of 4 DevTools unicorns
Adam Frankl has been VP at four Developer Tools unicorns, including JFrog, Neo4J and Sourcegraph.
Adam is the author of the Developer Facing Startup and recently launched the Developer Facing Startup Founders Academy: a program that helps founders launch and grow their developer tools.
In this conversation, Adam Frankl discusses the critical role of a Technical Advisory Board (TAB) in the success of developer-facing startups.
He emphasizes the importance of understanding developer needs, effective interviewing techniques, and the necessity of building credibility and community. Adam outlines a structured approach to gathering insights from developers.
He also highlights the significance of storytelling in marketing and the need for founders to engage deeply with their user base to discover and address their problems effectively.
Takeaways:
Adam is the author of the Developer Facing Startup and recently launched the Developer Facing Startup Founders Academy: a program that helps founders launch and grow their developer tools.
In this conversation, Adam Frankl discusses the critical role of a Technical Advisory Board (TAB) in the success of developer-facing startups.
He emphasizes the importance of understanding developer needs, effective interviewing techniques, and the necessity of building credibility and community. Adam outlines a structured approach to gathering insights from developers.
He also highlights the significance of storytelling in marketing and the need for founders to engage deeply with their user base to discover and address their problems effectively.
Takeaways:
- A Technical Advisory Board is essential for startup success.
- Founders must prioritize understanding developer needs.
- Effective interviews should focus on the problem, not the product.
- Social proof is crucial for building credibility.
- Developers are influenced by their peers and community.
- The 'Dream Sequence' outlines the developer adoption process.
- Storytelling is key to engaging potential users.
- Founders should continuously engage with their user base.
- Identifying key personas is vital for targeted outreach.
- Developers are not leads; they require a different approach.
Links:
- Developer Facing Startup Founders Academy https://developer-facing-founders-network.mn.co/
- Adam Frankl's LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/adamfrankl/
- The Developer Facing Startup https://www.amazon.co.uk/Developer-Facing-Startup-market-developer-facing/dp/B0D4KJNSPP
Keywords:
Technical Advisory Board, Developer Startups, User Research, Developer Needs, Social Proof, Community Building, Founder Responsibilities, Developer Adoption, Interview Techniques, Startup Success
Technical Advisory Board, Developer Startups, User Research, Developer Needs, Social Proof, Community Building, Founder Responsibilities, Developer Adoption, Interview Techniques, Startup Success
45:27Episode 96
Clerk's Hockey Stick growth, with Colin Sidoti
In this episode, we're joined by returning guest Colin Sidoti - the cofounder and CEO of Clerk.
Clerk is a comprehensive user management platform.
What we cover:
- The origin story and South Park Commons
- Clerk's dramatic growth since the first episode - what changed? What did they do right?
- 7% growth per week
- Tiny details that improve the developer experience
- How to you know if a change is better - watching people's faces as they try it
- The difficulties of bringing new joiners up to speed in a very high context environment
- Obsessions of founders
- Zuckerberg's obsession and South Park Commons talk
- Nick Parsons appreciation: why it's hard to hire good developer marketing people
- The uniqueness of marketing developer tools
- Buying a van and parking it outside YC
- Local marketing campaigns in San Francisco
Links:
- Clerk https://clerk.com/
- Colin's Twitter https://x.com/tweetsbycolin
- Nick Parsons' Twitter https://x.com/nickparsons
- Jakob's tweet https://x.com/jakeplusev/status/1827791946380877828
- Malte Ubl's blog https://www.industrialempathy.com/
- Zuck's talk at South Park Commons https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02fBBoZa9l4
Clerk is a comprehensive user management platform.
What we cover:
- The origin story and South Park Commons
- Clerk's dramatic growth since the first episode - what changed? What did they do right?
- 7% growth per week
- Tiny details that improve the developer experience
- How to you know if a change is better - watching people's faces as they try it
- The difficulties of bringing new joiners up to speed in a very high context environment
- Obsessions of founders
- Zuckerberg's obsession and South Park Commons talk
- Nick Parsons appreciation: why it's hard to hire good developer marketing people
- The uniqueness of marketing developer tools
- Buying a van and parking it outside YC
- Local marketing campaigns in San Francisco
Links:
- Clerk https://clerk.com/
- Colin's Twitter https://x.com/tweetsbycolin
- Nick Parsons' Twitter https://x.com/nickparsons
- Jakob's tweet https://x.com/jakeplusev/status/1827791946380877828
- Malte Ubl's blog https://www.industrialempathy.com/
- Zuck's talk at South Park Commons https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02fBBoZa9l4
30:30Episode 95
David Mytton - Arcjet and console.dev
David is the CEO of Arcjet. Arcjet is a tool that helps developers protect their apps once they go into production. It offers Bot detection, rate limiting, email validation, attack protection, data redaction.
David is also the creator of the console.dev newsletter and podcast. It's where thousands of developers discover developer tools.
In this episode we discuss how David thinks about creating content. Why he believes go-to-market is more difficult than product and how he works on creating great developer experience.
Links:
- Arcjet https://arcjet.com/
- David Mytton - https://davidmytton.blog/
- Console https://console.dev/
AI DevTools hackathon this weekend in SF:
- Event page https://lu.ma/devtools-hackathon
- More info https://www.devtoolshackathon.com/
- Arcjet https://arcjet.com/
- David Mytton - https://davidmytton.blog/
- Console https://console.dev/
AI DevTools hackathon this weekend in SF:
- Event page https://lu.ma/devtools-hackathon
- More info https://www.devtoolshackathon.com/
38:26Episode 87
Ellen Chisa - Partner at Boldstart Ventures
Ellen Chisa is a partner at Boldstart Ventures. Prior to Boldstart, Ellen founded Darklang - a programming language. Before Darklang, Ellen worked in product.
What we discussed:
What we discussed:
- Startups should focus on building one SDK and doing it well, rather than trying to build multiple SDKs at once.
- North Star metrics
- Developer tooling companies can learn from consumer-facing companies in terms of marketing and creating an identity for their product.
- Being authentic as a founder and actively engaging with the community can help establish a strong brand and attract users. Recognize and leverage your unique strengths and skills.
- Busy work can be valuable
- The importance of segmenting your message
Links:
- Ellen's Twitter/X https://x.com/ellenchisa?lang=en
- Boldstart Ventures https://boldstart.vc/
- darklang https://darklang.com/
39:59Episode 86
Developer quick-start guides with Amit Jotwani
How do you write a developer quick start guide that they will love?
That's what we talk about with Amit Jotwani. Amit is the founder of HelloDX and previously worked in developer experience at Retool and Amazon Alexa.
This came about because I was reading Amit's fantastic guide on EveryDeveloper.
Links:
That's what we talk about with Amit Jotwani. Amit is the founder of HelloDX and previously worked in developer experience at Retool and Amazon Alexa.
This came about because I was reading Amit's fantastic guide on EveryDeveloper.
Links:
- Amit's website https://ajot.me/
- HelloDX https://hellodx.co/
- Craft Quick Start Guides That Developers Will Love https://everydeveloper.com/quick-start-guides/
- Amit's Twitter/X https://x.com/amit
This episode is sponsored by WorkOS. If you're thinking about selling to enterprise customers, WorkOS can help you add enterprise features like Single Sign On and audit logs.
41:42Episode 73
Why developers trust Resend, with Zeno Rocha
Zeno Rocha is the founder of Resend. Zeno is also the founder of React Email.
Resend is a simple-to-use email API built for developers.
Previously Zeno was the VP of DX at WorkOS and the creator of the popular Dracula VS Code theme as well as the popular open source project Clipboard js.
This episode is sponsored by WorkOS. If you're thinking about selling to enterprise customers, WorkOS can help you add enterprise features like Single Sign On and audit logs.
What we talk about
Resend is a simple-to-use email API built for developers.
Previously Zeno was the VP of DX at WorkOS and the creator of the popular Dracula VS Code theme as well as the popular open source project Clipboard js.
This episode is sponsored by WorkOS. If you're thinking about selling to enterprise customers, WorkOS can help you add enterprise features like Single Sign On and audit logs.
What we talk about
- Building trust and a great developer experience
- Creating a successful open-source project (Clipboardjs)
- The importance of storytelling and a coherent (launching react email and Resend)
- The importance of a great readme
- Prioritization, descoping and making something worthy of being shared by Guillermo Rauch
Links:
- Zeno's Twitter Rocha - https://twitter.com/zenorocha
- Resend - https://resend.com/
- React email - https://github.com/resend/react-email
- Dracula theme https://draculatheme.com/visual-studio-code
- Clipboardjs - https://clipboardjs.com/
- WorkOS - https://workos.com/
42:11Episode 72
Startups don't need DevRel. A debate.
Stefan Avram recently tweeted that "You shouldn't have devrels. Your customers should be your devrels"
So I invited Stefan on to debate this with one of the industry's most respected DevRels Dan Moore from Fusion Auth.
This is episode is sponsored by WorkOS. If you're thinking about selling to enterprise customers, WorkOS can help you add enterprise features like Single Sign On and audit logs.
Links:
So I invited Stefan on to debate this with one of the industry's most respected DevRels Dan Moore from Fusion Auth.
This is episode is sponsored by WorkOS. If you're thinking about selling to enterprise customers, WorkOS can help you add enterprise features like Single Sign On and audit logs.
Links:
- Stefan's tweet https://twitter.com/StefanTMD/status/1735022106822295920
- Dan Moore https://twitter.com/mooreds
- Fusion Auth https://fusionauth.io/
- Wundergraph https://wundergraph.com/
23:36Episode 70
How to launch on Product Hunt with Flo Merian
Flo Merian is a developer marketer who has run successful Product Hunt launches for numerous developer tools.
Flo is also a maintainer of the Developer Marketing community and curates LaunchWeek.dev
Flo is a Product Marketer at Clerk - a user management tool
Links:
Flo is also a maintainer of the Developer Marketing community and curates LaunchWeek.dev
Flo is a Product Marketer at Clerk - a user management tool
Links:
- https://twitter.com/fmerian
- https://marketingto.dev/
- https://launchweek.dev/
- https://github.com/fmerian/awesome-product-hunt
36:36Episode 67
OpenAI want to build the best developer product ever - OpenAI's first DevRel, Logan Kilpatrick
Guest: Logan Kilpatrick, member of OpenAI’s developer advocacy team, often described as OpenAI’s first DevRel.
Highlights:
- Challenges and Growth: Logan discusses the evolution of developer engagement from GPT 3.5 to the explosive growth following ChatGPT's success. Initially faced with the challenge of generating developer interest, the release of ChatGPT marked a significant shift, highlighting the shift from awareness to scaling and improving developer experience amidst high demand and compute-intensive operations.
- Developer Experience Focus: Logan emphasizes the focus on developer experience, detailing the balance between improving platform features and releasing new models and APIs. Despite past trade-offs, the goal remains to enhance core platform functionalities and developer-friendly features.
- Decision Making and Prioritization: Logan shares insights into the dynamic and fast-paced environment at OpenAI, which requires flexibility in planning and prioritization. Key focus areas include documentation, product improvements, direct developer interactions, internal coordination, and supporting launches, especially the GPT Store.
- Impact of Documentation: Underscoring the critical role of documentation, Logan points out that effective documentation is paramount for developer success, guiding the use of OpenAI's API and models. Efforts are underway to improve documentation quality and support various user personas beyond developers.
- Developer Community Engagement: Lessons from engaging with the developer community include the need for diverse content formats and accommodating various user personas. Logan acknowledges the challenge of keeping documentation and resources updated in a rapidly evolving API landscape.
- Building a Superior Developer Experience: Logan stresses the importance of OpenAI's mission to benefit everyone and the role of the API in achieving widespread impact. The commitment to providing the best tools for developers is seen as a differentiator in the competitive landscape of AI model providers.
- Managing Attention and Feedback: Despite the challenges of being a public figure within the developer community, Logan values direct feedback for continuous improvement. Balancing public engagement with deep work, especially on documentation and launch support, is highlighted.
- Community Questions and Answers: Logan addresses questions from the community, touching on the desire for innovative applications of OpenAI technology, plans for global events, prioritizing documentation, addressing developer concerns about scaling, and sharing personal preferences for deep dish pizza in Chicago.
Rapid Fire Community Q&A:
- Innovative Applications: Logan hopes to see development of multiplayer, multimodal text-first AI assistants.
- Global Events: OpenAI is expanding its presence, including hiring in London and considering events in cities like Atlanta.
- DevRel Strategy for 2024: Focus on creating excellent documentation.
- Developer Concerns: Addressing challenges around freedom to scale and capacity constraints.
- Personal Time: Logan plans to take vacation during the end-of-year code freeze in 2024.
- Chicago Deep Dish Recommendation: Lou Malnati's and Paradise Park are Logan's picks for the best deep dish pizza.
Links:
- Logan's Twitter - https://x.com/OfficialLoganK
- Romain's Twitter https://twitter.com/romainhuet
- OpenAI https://platform.openai.com/
- tlDraw https://www.tldraw.com/
- Bloop https://bloop.ai/
- Joyfill https://joyfill.io/
- https://portkey.ai/
- Stripe docs https://stripe.com/docs
This episode provides a behind-the-scenes look at OpenAI's efforts to enhance developer engagement, the challenges of balancing innovation with platform stability, and the importance of community feedback in shaping the future of AI development tools.
Show notes generated with gpt4 (using a blog post I wrote)
Show notes generated with gpt4 (using a blog post I wrote)
41:23Episode 65
Pivoting a million dollar startup - DevCycle (Jonathan Norris, Brad Van Vugt & Andrew MacLean)
DevCycle is a feature flag management tool.
DevCycle was founded in 2014 originally as Taplytics (an A/B testing tool) by Jonathan Norris, Aaron Glazer, Andrew Norris and Cobi Druxeman, raising $7.8m. Despite creating a million dollar business, in 2022, they raised $5m and pivoted to DevCycle.
In this episode, we cover their pivot and how they think about developer experience.
DevCycle was founded in 2014 originally as Taplytics (an A/B testing tool) by Jonathan Norris, Aaron Glazer, Andrew Norris and Cobi Druxeman, raising $7.8m. Despite creating a million dollar business, in 2022, they raised $5m and pivoted to DevCycle.
In this episode, we cover their pivot and how they think about developer experience.
37:26Episode 60
Developer copywriting mistakes to avoid, with Zach Goldie
Zach Goldie is a DevTools messaging consultant
- Ship code faster is an empty statement. 0:00
- How do you position yourself against the competition? 1:56
- The problem with free monitoring tools. 6:43
- Explain why fast is a good thing. 11:44
- Curse of knowledge and how to overcome it. 16:42
- The problem with copy length and word count. 21:37
- How do you know if a page is good? 27:05
- Pitching self-serve to users. 32:42
Links:
- Zach's Twitter https://twitter.com/DitchingData
- Zach's site https://www.zachgoldie.com/
- Benefit layers https://dx.tips/benefit-layers
- Zach's Twitter https://twitter.com/DitchingData
- Zach's site https://www.zachgoldie.com/
- Benefit layers https://dx.tips/benefit-layers
41:18Episode 59
Building a developer social network with Steve Krouse from Val Town
Steve Krouse is the founder of Val.town - a social website where you can write and run code.
- Introduction to Val.Town's vision 0:00
- How long it took Github to make money on Steve
- Val Town is a social website where you can write and run javascript or typescript, run the code on servers, and see the results.
- Knocking down friction points 2:12
- Val Town is making it so that programmers can create cool stuff without having to go through the pain of sending an email.
- Zapier for developers is another kind of tagline that has been seen other people that you've interviewed on this podcast.
- Categorising use cases on the website. 4:45
- Val Town recently made a list of favourite use cases and categorised them on the website. The challenge is explaining to people what it is and what it can be used for.
- What can be made with Val.town section
- How to get people to make cool things with your tool 15:51
- People hear about Val Town because other people are using it. The more people sign up, the more people are signing up for it.
- Val Town has a smaller number of people who are excited about it and use it a lot, but it's not a mythical product market fit.
- Every Thursday, the team is not allowed to work on the product. They all have to try and make Vals to go viral, which is a really fun creative day.
- The last one that went viral was hacker news follow, which was branded as an installable script.
- How do you think about notifications? 24:30
- Val Town is perfect for programmatic customization of notification emails, so that installing those into your account will be part of the tutorial.
- Val is passionate about education, and it feels like that's a big challenge because there's lots of new stuff with val.
- Medium-term ambition, build a learn to code interactive course on top of Val Town. Long term ambition is to have hundreds or thousands of Learn to Code courses on Val Town, embedded in the product.
- Future of coding meetups. 29:36
- An interview with Brian Dougie, early at Github, and how he helped with bootcamps and how to run code with Netlify.
- Future of coding meetup in london.
- Managing a community is a funny thing. The people who start and manage communities are often weird people.
- Date Me Docs 35:33
- Some people are looking for a unique snowflake, while others are sensitive and don't want attention on their date me docs.
- The future of dating is a great exercise to go through to get clear in words about who you are and what you're looking for.
Links:
- Val Town - https://www.val.town/
- Steve's Twitter - https://twitter.com/stevekrouse
- Val Town - https://www.val.town/
- Steve's Twitter - https://twitter.com/stevekrouse
29:47Episode 58
Dax from SST - content that has nothing to do with your tool can still convert
Dax Raad is building SST - an open-source framework that makes it easy to build serverless apps.
- What Is SST? 0:00
- The theory in January was to make content that has nothing to do with SST and still convert people. Dax validated the theory within the first hour.
- Dax tells us a little bit about SST, a framework for building applications on AWS, and how it works.
- The importance of marketing and content. 2:42
- The focus now has to be on marketing.
- The top of the funnel is when someone has no idea who you are.
- Pitching the idea to his boss. 5:16
- Dax pitched the idea and Fred Schott was immediately down. He spent a day just watching every single episode of Between Two Ferns and wrote down all the patterns of jokes.
- He learned a lot from the first one, and is doing another one today at 230.
- How much goes into the show? 8:04
- The original show is fully done and edits, and that is true of the one that video was made. The video was not close to what actually happened, but it was his response to the video.
- The original is very specific and it's funny how specific the jokes are.
- The importance of having a unique angle. 10:40
- For most companies, announcing an integration is not the most exciting thing to announce.
- The bar is incredibly low, and the expectations are super low.
- Invest more in marketing and content. 12:35
- They are looking to hire a comedian or someone who makes good content on YouTube.
- They are planning a series A, and are looking for people who are talented and can help them.
- Educational vs entertaining content. 14:57
- The only way to capture someone like you is through a different angle.
- The theory in January was to make content that has nothing to do with SST and still convert people into trying out SST.
- Finding an angle that is genuine for yourself.
- How he got over the hump of clickbait. 17:54
- He went through the same hump that everyone goes through when trying to publish content on youtube.
- He was sent a video by a guy who was very successful on youtube and he was explaining why he does what he does.
- The importance of having a good content. 20:51
- Youtube is an amazing place. People will watch it if it's good.
- Marketing is a huge lever. 23:20
- They are a very small company. They are able to do a lot given their small size and they are going to continue to be a small company, so they need to find ways to find leverage anywhere they can.
- They are excited about what they can invest in.
- Dax would love to work with someone who is good at filmmaking and editing to keep it engaging and keep it fun. He also thinks about shows that are authentic.
- Key takeaways for anyone listening, remember that if you're building a company you do need to do marketing.
Links:
- SST https://sst.dev/
- Dax's twitter https://twitter.com/thdxr
- Between Two Nerds https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-I2Xep0GTQY&ab_channel=SST
- SST https://sst.dev/
- Dax's twitter https://twitter.com/thdxr
- Between Two Nerds https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-I2Xep0GTQY&ab_channel=SST
32:51Episode 56
Hire engineers who don't mind talking, with Brian Douglas from OpenSauced
Brian Douglas - or bdougie - is the founder of OpenSauced - an open source intelligence tool. Brian was previously Developer Experience Lead at Netlify and Director of Developer Advocacy at GitHub
Summary
- Every engineer is an advocate. 0:00
- Joining GitHub with a 30/60/90 plan. 1:17
- What was the goal when you joined Netlify? 3:16
- How to get started with bootcamps. 7:53
- What are the top projects in open source? 10:52
- The bottom up strategy for adoption at GitHub. 15:22
- Netlify’s Aha moment. 21:19
- How do you get started in reaching out to community and consistently? 25:57
Links:
- https://opensauced.pizza/
- https://twitter.com/bdougieYO
25:58Episode 53
Forums vs Slack with Dan Moore from FusionAuth
Dan is head of DevRel at FusionAuth - Auth Built for Devs, by Devs
- FusionAuth’s journey from moderation to auth provider.
- Introduction to Dan Moore, head of DevRel at fusion.
- Fusion's journey
- Free to use for many users, but also a cloud offering.
- Synchronous communication vs asynchronous communication.
- Synchronous communication vs asynchronous communication.
- 10% of their traffic is coming from forum pages.
- No one ever searches on Stack Overflow.
- What are some of the experiments that have gone well?
- Efforts to promote community feel.
- Community stories, finding out user pain points and wins.
- The importance of getting your community to know each other.
- Getting 20 or 30 blog posts on the blog.
- Dan's experience on Screaming into the cloud.
Dan's Twitter - https://twitter.com/mooreds
FusionAuth - https://fusionauth.io/
FusionAuth - https://fusionauth.io/
28:35Episode 50
From VC to DevTools with Karl Clement, founder of CODEOWNERS
Karl Clement is the founder of https://codeowners.com/
CODEOWNERS is the single source of truth for code ownership.
Summary
CODEOWNERS is the single source of truth for code ownership.
Summary
- Introducing Karl
- Code ownership
- What are the types of people that are implementing code Code Ownership
- How to find and reach platform engineers.
- What are some of the key metrics that organisations are looking for to measure the value of their tooling?
- Dora metrics
- Mean time to resolution, MTTR
- What is Backstage and how has it been used?
- Improving the developer experience with Backstage.
- Backstage implementation is essentially a signal that a company is willing to invest in the organisation but the developer experience as a whole, which is great
- Backstage implementation is a signal of investment in the organisation.
- How venture capital can help with product development.
- If you’re building a product in a space that no one else is in, you are reducing your odds
29:20Episode 49
Great Developer Experience with ngrok founder Alan Shreve
Alan Shreve is the founder & CEO of ngrok.
ngrok is a simplified API-first ingress-as-a-service that adds connectivity, security, and observability to your apps in one line
What we cover:
- Creating a simple experience for users.
- Designing for the 90% use case vs. the 10%.
- How did the idea for ngrok emerge?
- How the first iterations of the product came about.
- The internal struggle to create simple interfaces.
- How do you test your library design?
- One of the best ways to test library design.
- Amazon's one-click checkout.
- Chasing simplicity vs complexity in a complex system.
- Product processes to help chase simplicity.
- How does NGrok measure and track user growth?
- Time to value, kpi, time to value.
- Empowering developers to do their jobs.
- How does a hobbyist use case expand into a commercial use case?
- How do you think about the problems that ngrok solves?
- How do you get an application online with minimal configuration?
- What’s the takeaway for other developers or founders?
Links:
- ngrok: https://ngrok.com/
- Alan's Twitter: https://twitter.com/inconshreveable
- Thanks to Danger Casey https://twitter.com/CaseySoftware for organising this
- swyx article https://www.swyx.io/self-provisioning-runtime
- Joel Spolsky talk https://mixtape.swyx.io/episodes/elegant-software-joel-spolsky
- ngrok: https://ngrok.com/
- Alan's Twitter: https://twitter.com/inconshreveable
- Thanks to Danger Casey https://twitter.com/CaseySoftware for organising this
- swyx article https://www.swyx.io/self-provisioning-runtime
- Joel Spolsky talk https://mixtape.swyx.io/episodes/elegant-software-joel-spolsky
47:33Episode 48
How Fred Schott built two open source projects with 20,000+ GitHub stars
Fred Schott is the founder of Astro.build and the Astro technology company.
Astro is the all-in-one web framework designed for speed. Pull your content from anywhere and deploy everywhere, all powered by your favorite UI components and libraries.
Snowpack is a lightning-fast frontend build tool, designed for the modern web.
Before this, Fred founded Snowpack
Astro is the all-in-one web framework designed for speed. Pull your content from anywhere and deploy everywhere, all powered by your favorite UI components and libraries.
Snowpack is a lightning-fast frontend build tool, designed for the modern web.
Before this, Fred founded Snowpack
- What is Astro and what is it doing? 0:00
- Fred introduces himself and talks about astro.
- Fred explains what astro is and what it does.
- What’s changed in the web over the last 10 years. 2:20
- The last decade has been defined by full stack javascript.
- Astro is a server-first HTML rendering.
- Astro’s unique model of building an open source company. 4:51
- Building a sustainable company around an open source project.
- The astro technology company model.
- How Fred got started in open source.
- What Fred worked on before astro.
- How Fred got started in open source software.
- Pika was the first project that I really sunk my teeth into. 11:15
- Pika was the first project Fred really sunk his teeth into.
- Building snowpack and
- Why is it so bad to create a slack channel for your open source project? 14:00
- Stop creating slack communities for open source projects.
- The importance of community
- What it’s like at the beginning of an open source project. 16:26
- The first users are essential for an early-stage open source project.
- The power of responding quickly to feedback from the community.
- The first version of astro
- The spirit of open source and the importance of licencing code.
- The importance of having fun working on something that’s your own. 22:29
- The drive to just build it.
- The importance of having fun working on free software.
- The psychology of over-architecture.
- The importance of dog-fooding and how to use it. 26:13
- Dog fooding projects, how to build a tool for someone to use by seeing what they are doing.
- How do you get people to use the tool if they’re not already using it? 29:16
- Finding a real use case for snowpack.
- How to approach feedback from users.
- Using a Github repo to test new changes.
- Prioritising what to work on.
- Death by 1000 paper cuts.
- The importance of listening to users for feedback.
Links:
- Fred's Twitter https://twitter.com/FredKSchott
- Astro https://astro.build/
- Snowpack https://www.snowpack.dev/
- 5 Things I Learned Building Snowpack to 20,000 Stars https://dev.to/fredkschott/5-things-i-learned-while-building-snowpack-to-20-000-stars-b9d
- 6 More Things I Learned Building Snowpack to 20,000 Stars (Part 2)
https://dev.to/fredkschott/5-more-things-i-learned-building-snowpack-to-20-000-stars-5dc9
27:29Episode 46
Making developer videos with Jamie Barton, DevRel Engineer at Grafbase
Jamie Barton is a DevRel Engineer at Grafbase https://grafbase.com/ and the host of https://graphql.wtf/
31:21Episode 35
Making DevTools more human with Carla Sofia Teixeira from Miro
Scaling DevTools is the podcast that investigates how DevTools go from zero to one.
What we cover
- An introduction to Miro
- What does ‘humanness’ mean?
- How to leverage ‘humanness’
- The four pillars of DevRel
- Outreach
- Product
- Education
- Community
- Always be empathetic
- Always be respectful
Where to hear from Carla
- Twitter: @CarlaSofii
- Linkedin: Carla Sofia Teixeira
- **https://developers.miro.com/**
38:10Episode 34
Great DevRel Content is a process, not a project with Jason Lengstorf
What we cover
- Creating content is a process, not a project
- Reusing content effectively
- Stay on message!!
- Consistent gentle pressure
- Boring but effective strategies
Where to hear from Jason
34:19Episode 33
Crossing the chasm with Shawn Wang (swyx)
Resources
- Crossing the chasm by Geoffrey Moore
- Airbyte
- Netlify Auth Library
- Wardley map
- Strategy Letter V by Joel Spolsky
- The hardest working graphic in software
- 10x-ing Svelte (Svelte Summit 2022 Talk Notes)
swyx’s links:
Key points:
- Everyone in tech should understand the technology adoption cycle and know which stage of the adoption cycle you’re at
- First time founders obsess about products and second-time founders obsess about distribution.
- At the beginning, focus-in on one offering - have conviction in who your users are
- Your tech IS the story at the earliest stage of the adoption cycle. Because you are targeting innovators and they love to know you use Rust for example! At the later stage, tech no longer matters; the cost matters. Your messaging evolves
- You should be picking industries and companies with a strong chance of success
16:27Episode 26
Growing in a community - with Colin Sidoti, founder of Clerk.dev
Colin Sidoti is the CEO of Clerk.dev. Clerk helps developers build user management. They provide streamlined user experiences for your users to sign up, sign in, and manage their profile.
What we cover
- Hasn't auth been solved already?
- Growth and new customers
- Pitching Clerk
- Communities
- User journey
Where to hear from Colin
25:12Episode 25
DevRel from the ground up with Sean Falconer from SkyFlow
Sean Falconer is the Head of Developer Relations & Product Marketing at Skyflow. Skyflow is a privacy API for sensitive data that is built on a customer data vault.
What we cover
- Building a DevRel function from the ground up
- An MVP DevRel team
- A real content strategy
- Hiring the right person
- Measuring performance in the early stages
- How do DevRel and marketing interplay?
Where to hear from Sean
P.s. thanks so much to Harpreet Sahota for listening and suggesting we invite Sean!
17:34Episode 20
Developer User Research extends your runway, with Ana Hevesi
Ana Hevesi is a Developer Experience Researcher and Ecosystem Consultant. She has experience marshalling technical products and communities at companies including Stack Overflow, Nodejitsu and MongoDB.
What we cover
- An introduction to developer user research
- Research at DevTools startups
- How to use findings and insights
- How user research can help extend runway at a startup
Where to hear from Ana
Tools Anna loves
15:36Episode 15
Authentic Developer Education with Dylan Fox from AssemblyAI
Dylan Fox is the Founder & CEO of AssemblyAI. AssemblyAI is an AI company that researches, trains, and deploys State-of-the-Art AI models. Thousands of developers and product teams build with AssemblyAI's simple API to automatically transcribe and understand audio data at scale.
What we cover
(00:20): Could you tell us a little bit about AssemblyAI?
(01:10): Could you talk about your content strategy?
(03:37): How do you balance the goal of promoting AssemblyAI with creating authentic, useful pieces of content?
(09:59) How are you able to produce such in-depth content?
(11:22) What was it like going through YC and acquiring your first users?
Where to hear from Dylan
Where to hear from Dylan
17:39Episode 14
Painkillers before vitamins with Juri Strumpflohner
Juri Strumpflohner is the Director of Developer Experience at Nrwl Technologies. Nrwl works with global enterprises to provide remote consulting, training, and engineering. Nx is Nrwl’s open source product which provides advanced tools that help scale enterprise development.
What we cover
- The story, Nrwl, and Nx?
- Solve the problems you see
- Open source business model
- How Nx got to 2million downloads per week
- Hiring for growth
- Taking over an existing open source proejct
Where to hear from Juri
22:02Episode 12
Investing in community with SJ Morris
Sarah Jane Morris is the Senior Manager of Developer community at HubSpot. Hubspot is a CRM platform that brings everything scaling companies need to deliver a best-in-class customer experience into one place.
What we cover
(00:21): How should early-stage startups be thinking about community?
(06:09): Once the community has found momentum, what would the next focus be?
(12:27): In terms of tangibly measuring how well you're doing, what kind of things do you care about?
(18:39): Community can sometimes be put on the back burner, but at the same time you see so many of the most successful dev startups invested in community really early on. Do you see a pattern or do you have any advice for startups that are at this stage?
Links mentioned by SJ
13:08Episode 10
Effective developer events & developer sponsorships with Kimmy Leslie
Kimmy Leslie is a marketer at Stream. Stream power chat messaging and activity feeds for billions of global end-users across thousands of different apps.
What we cover
(00:42): What does community mean to Stream?
(01:37): What are good events like in the developer space?
(02:31): How did you find having a blank canvas of events that you could run and sponsors that you could find?
(03:30): Do you have any advice for anyone at a startup where they aren’t doing any events or sponsorship?
(05:20): Do you think sponsors and events play into the product in terms of how it develops, as well as all the relationships that you are building with different communities?
(07:38): What do you do when you have a successful sponsor, what happens next?
(08:25) Would you recommend for someone just getting started to allocate their budget between different events and sponsors?
Where to hear from Kimmy
- Twitter: @LeslieKimmy
- Stream - https://getstream.io/
17:37Episode 2
Early Stage DevRel with Brandon West
Brandon West joined SendGrid, a customer communication platform for transactional and marketing email in 2011 as their first Developer Evangelist. Since then he’s had a brilliant career, working at AWS and CoScreen, which has just been acquired by Datadog.
What we cover
(00:57): What does DevRel look like at startups at the earliest stage?
(05:13): How do you balance doing the right things and building credibility with the fact that you're also willing to push and demo things, which aren't perfect yet.
(07:13): What was it like when you were at SendGrid?
(11:46): What did the relationship look like with the product team?
(05:13): How do you balance doing the right things and building credibility with the fact that you're also willing to push and demo things, which aren't perfect yet.
(07:13): What was it like when you were at SendGrid?
(11:46): What did the relationship look like with the product team?
(17:04): Where can people learn more?
Guest links
0:50Episode 1
Scaling DevTools Trailer
Created by Jack Bridger, founder of Bitreach. BitReach helps Devtool companies reach more developers. In this series Jack will explore how startups sell to developers, build tools and become successful.